David Jones

Packed full of character, packed full of talent, coached by Jose Mourinho, who let the grass grow long in the first leg of the semi-final.

They played very defensively at home, looking to play on the break.

Pepe got sent off.

It was a gargantuan semi-final.

And therefore, I think they think that if you want, you know, excelsior football, then yes, they consider Wembley.

And Pep said for 25 minutes, his team played the absolute perfect personification of what he'd been trying to teach them from 2008 onwards.

But both of your guests with you today, both Jamie's will say,

The football isn't simply the silk glove.

It's the iron fist.

And the battle to get to meet Manchester United was absolutely gargantuan.

You covered it.

You had it live.

It was a phenomenal last three matches, home and away against Madrid and then Manchester United as far as Barcelona was concerned.

If you had Messi on the line now instead of me, he'd avoid the question.

And if you had Pep, and in fact, maybe you've asked him, Pep would say Messi.

And I don't think there's any debate.

But, you know, because we work in newspapers and television and radio and because we describe above and beyond the feats that you two manage as elite footballers, you look to try and put words, you put a dress on greatness and you keep going back to it.

Because whether you rate Messi with or above Maradona and Pelé, and for me, he's miles, miles above Maradona.

if you think about the all-in package, then football is not a game about one person only.

And therefore, I think I can reach for this comparison easily knowing you and knowing who your favourite player of that era was, that if you get Leo Messi...