David Kapler

I mean, some other speakers here have made this point about judging by behavior rather than by rhetoric primarily.

And I think, although now I'm about to raise rhetoric,

Take a look at how many summit communiques since 21, 22 timeframe.

Take a look at the NATO strategic concept.

It is agreed among allies that Russia is the primary threat to the alliance.

Okay, but it doesn't matter because they've said it in writing.

Okay.

And it's published.

And that is the position of the alliance agreed by all 32.

Now, the degree to which they believe that threat is proximate, the manner in which they believe it'll manifest, the timing-

Okay.

That's going to vary.

But reasonable men and women can have those differences if at the core they agree.

And this, again, I've asked so many times, not just during this conference, but in how many meetings since 21, 22 of, okay, but isn't it true that they didn't all fully agree?

Well, the rest is classified.

But what I'd say is, hey, look, at the end of the day, they agreed enough to implement improved deterrence and defensive measures, and they have seen the threat enough together that they have taken coordinated political and military action in the years that followed.

Well, sure it does.

You hear my accent, right?

Obviously, I'm American.

I believe