David Marchese

I'm just not sure what to do with that connection. Like, so the awareness of those two things, the meanness in the world and that the people who are being mean still are vulnerable little children could elicit what productive response?

I have to say, I think the odds of President Trump clicking on the Tilda Swinton interview are low. But you never know.

I have to say, I think the odds of President Trump clicking on the Tilda Swinton interview are low. But you never know.

Yeah, who knows? Who knows? You know, it has struck me in speaking with you that the way you talk about your development as an artist and even your life, you just make it sound contingent. You know, you met these writers. You wound up in Derek Jarman's orbit. And of course, everyone's life is rooted in contingency. But there has to have been real intention in your life.

Yeah, who knows? Who knows? You know, it has struck me in speaking with you that the way you talk about your development as an artist and even your life, you just make it sound contingent. You know, you met these writers. You wound up in Derek Jarman's orbit. And of course, everyone's life is rooted in contingency. But there has to have been real intention in your life.

And I'm wondering, at the risk of sounding like I'm pumping you for self-help tips or something like that, what advice might you have for how to at least increase the possibility that someone might get the life they want?

And I'm wondering, at the risk of sounding like I'm pumping you for self-help tips or something like that, what advice might you have for how to at least increase the possibility that someone might get the life they want?

That's Tilda Swinton. Her new movie, The Room Next Door, will be in select theaters on December 20th and opens nationwide January 17th. This conversation was produced by Seth Kelly. It was edited by Annabelle Bacon, mixing by Efim Shapiro. Original music by Dan Powell and Marian Lozano. Photography by Devin Yalkin. Our senior booker is Priya Mathew, and Wyatt Orme is our producer.

That's Tilda Swinton. Her new movie, The Room Next Door, will be in select theaters on December 20th and opens nationwide January 17th. This conversation was produced by Seth Kelly. It was edited by Annabelle Bacon, mixing by Efim Shapiro. Original music by Dan Powell and Marian Lozano. Photography by Devin Yalkin. Our senior booker is Priya Mathew, and Wyatt Orme is our producer.

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I'm David Marchese, and this is The Interview from The New York Times.

I'm David Marchese, and this is The Interview from The New York Times.

Well, we're talking about this thing called the Department of Government Efficiency. Those of you who are on the Internet may know that that's a meme. It's named after a funny dog meme that Elon Musk likes.

Well, we're talking about this thing called the Department of Government Efficiency. Those of you who are on the Internet may know that that's a meme. It's named after a funny dog meme that Elon Musk likes.

and a cryptocurrency that's named after the funny dog meme. Now, there's no thing in the government called the Department of Government Efficiency, but it is something that President Trump has pledged to set up once he takes office. And what they're talking about is kind of a hybrid setup where there would be people outside the government, Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk,

and a cryptocurrency that's named after the funny dog meme. Now, there's no thing in the government called the Department of Government Efficiency, but it is something that President Trump has pledged to set up once he takes office. And what they're talking about is kind of a hybrid setup where there would be people outside the government, Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk,

These sort of advisors on the outside taking no government salary, holding no government position. And then a bunch of folks on the inside, people who actually would work for the government. Musk has described them as sort of committed, smart government, you know, budget cutters. And together, their goal is pretty massive.