David Marchese

Well, it does.

I think it also connects to a lot of the backlash against the censoriousness of the left.

There's the idea that young men in particular were like, they're just always finger wagging at everything.

I'm not interested in that.

You know, I saw recently you won a Lifetime Achievement Award from the National Book Foundation.

And in one of the

introductory speeches to your acceptance speech.

Get ready for this one.

You were referred to as the ultimate teacher of kindness and of craft.

And, you know, you're often...

positioned in terms of kindness and goodness, almost, I'm going to be a little hyperbolic here, but like almost as a kind of secular saint.

And, you know, your eyes just rolled.

I just wonder if we can complicate that a little bit.

Like, when do you struggle with kindness?

But when do you struggle with it?

Are there moments specifically?

Which was then turned into... Which I think it was then reprinted maybe in the Times.

Yes, I think that's right.

And went viral or proto-viral.

And then it was made into a book that I think also did well.