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David McCloskey

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150. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: How To Run a Killer (Ep 2)

Well, that's saying something without kind of saying anything in a way, because it doesn't really explain what handholds this skillful sergeant may have had on Scappaticci to make the pitch effective.

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150. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: How To Run a Killer (Ep 2)

Chatting somebody up at a bar feels, especially a hardened guy like Scappaticci, that feels a stretch to me.

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150. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: How To Run a Killer (Ep 2)

To me, that answer feels kind of right.

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150. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: How To Run a Killer (Ep 2)

I mean, it's sort of blackmail light in a way, I guess.

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150. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: How To Run a Killer (Ep 2)

It's using the leverage that the state has to make a big problem go away.

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150. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: How To Run a Killer (Ep 2)

And the other bit of this that I think maybe adds some color is, I mean, we know, I guess, very few facts.

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150. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: How To Run a Killer (Ep 2)

We know some facts authoritatively from Canova, which is the investigation into State Knife, and we'll come back to that later.

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150. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: How To Run a Killer (Ep 2)

But

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150. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: How To Run a Killer (Ep 2)

It says that the Army's cultivation and recruitment of Stakenife began in the late 1970s, and the motivation for him first wanting to become an agent was linked either to the risk that he was facing criminal prosecution or a desire for financial gain.

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150. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: How To Run a Killer (Ep 2)

And the risk from prosecution certainly fits with the tax evasion scheme.

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150. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: How To Run a Killer (Ep 2)

It fits maybe with the incident with an underage girl.

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150. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: How To Run a Killer (Ep 2)

But as we'll see, and this is why I think you could explain the long-term duration of this relationship is, I think it's both...

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150. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: How To Run a Killer (Ep 2)

making a problem go away, and also the promise of financial gain to come.

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150. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: How To Run a Killer (Ep 2)

So it's not purely this jailhouse recruitment where we're using leverage over you.

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150. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: How To Run a Killer (Ep 2)

We're going to pay you quite well over the years to compel your cooperation with us.

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150. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: How To Run a Killer (Ep 2)

Those two things merged together for a guy like Scappaticci, I think really works.

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150. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: How To Run a Killer (Ep 2)

We talked earlier about how

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150. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: How To Run a Killer (Ep 2)

He likes stuff.

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150. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: How To Run a Killer (Ep 2)

He likes vacations.

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150. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: How To Run a Killer (Ep 2)

He's got his Manchester City season tickets.