David McCloskey

He's in many ways very self-interested and self-oriented.

And I think that pitch plays into those aspects of his personality.

Yeah, we should say, what is a steak?

Because when I heard steak knife the first time, I thought of a knife used to cut a steak.

So S-T-E-A-K, right?

Knife.

But that's not how it's spelled.

And those Frew handlers, again, Frew, the force research unit inside the army in Northern Ireland, those Frew handlers are assigned a steak knife for anywhere between one to four years.

One was assigned for a total of seven years, albeit with a break in there.

But he's handled in a kind of

you know, somewhat normal way, I guess, where you have case officers that rotate in and out of that relationship.

And I guess here, you know, it's interesting to think about what kind of environment Belfast is in those years for agent handling, because it sounds from the outside, it feels like a hard place to meet agents.

People know each other, run into each other all the time.

So how, how do, how does the Fru actually meet with and handle steak knife?

And you have actually been bundled into an MI5 van, isn't that right, Gordon, when you were arrested?

I have yet to be bundled up and tossed into a van for a debrief.

So I feel a little jealous.

I feel a little left out.

We should say, it reminds me of the episodes we did on the airline plot, where we went into some depth on breaking and entering operations and surveillance.

And it's not glamorous.