David McCloskey

maybe would have the ability to tap a phone line, but he could go to any number of other phones in the city, be in pattern, and make a call.

It's not that hard.

There you go.

Listeners, try that.

Try that email.

See where it goes.

See where it gets them.

And we also don't really have any insight into his relationships with his handlers.

Yeah.

We don't even know who handled him inside the frue.

Is that right?

And so maybe there with an understanding of

how Scappaticci is handled and how his intelligence is being sifted into the different security forces involved in Northern Ireland.

Let's take a break.

And when we come back, we will see how you run a high-level important agent who is also involved in a tremendous amount of violence.

Well, welcome back.

This dilemma, Gordon, I think is going to characterize or sort of infuse so much of the rest of this series, which is on the one hand, the British state has a golden goose source operating at the highest levels of the IRA.

On the other hand, he's involved in really nasty, dirty activities, including in some cases, he's directly involved in murder.

And I think that kind of dilemma is so central to the complexity around this case.

But I think let's start with what's he offering?