David Naffziger

That's healthy.

And have you bootstrapped the company or have you raised?

Entirely bootstrapped.

Oh, I love that.

That's great.

How have you resisted the urge to raise?

So it's interesting.

My first two companies were sort of your classic venture plays.

So Quova and Judy's Book, both companies raised a ton of money.

I want to say Quova over its lifespan, sort of close to 50.

And Judy's Book, I think, close to 10-ish, give or take.

Um, and, you know, I think I got to see a lot of, uh, the sort of pros that that model offers, um, and, you know, some of the challenges as well.

Uh, and I think, uh, it also got sort of out of, I think my system, um, I think it's something that's a relatively common sort of book, sort of the view that raising around is success in and of itself.

Um,

And, uh, you know, sort of having seen both of those models play out, it was sort of interested to try something different.

Yeah, that makes good sense.

And it's better for your stress levels, right?

Yeah, no, totally.

I mean, it's a different model as advantage and disadvantages.

And I think,