David Navarro

And then these prisoners that are on long licence, because IPPs are life licence, so these prisoners that

And then these prisoners that are on long licence, because IPPs are life licence, so these prisoners that

are there for a long time are just trapped in a cycle because they're getting in trouble in prison, not getting their parole, and then it just happens over and over again, you know, and I feel like there's less crime, like you said, but there's prisoners still doing their sentence when they should have been out a long time ago, you know, especially IPPs.

are there for a long time are just trapped in a cycle because they're getting in trouble in prison, not getting their parole, and then it just happens over and over again, you know, and I feel like there's less crime, like you said, but there's prisoners still doing their sentence when they should have been out a long time ago, you know, especially IPPs.

A lot of people that haven't been in the system or don't understand it, they think like criminals are just monsters and they're just bad people. But a lot of the time when you're actually in there, you're like, oh, well, his mum and dad were both like drug users and he didn't really have a right upbringing. He didn't or she didn't know how to navigate through life.

A lot of people that haven't been in the system or don't understand it, they think like criminals are just monsters and they're just bad people. But a lot of the time when you're actually in there, you're like, oh, well, his mum and dad were both like drug users and he didn't really have a right upbringing. He didn't or she didn't know how to navigate through life.

And, you know, these people need intervention. And, you know, we should look at the circumstances or what led up to this. You know, in my podcast, I always ask, like, what led up to the crime?

And, you know, these people need intervention. And, you know, we should look at the circumstances or what led up to this. You know, in my podcast, I always ask, like, what led up to the crime?

That's a good shot because let's say it was going to be like a five-year sentence. If it was five years suspended, then while you're outside, you know one mistake, I'm in jail for five years. Do you know what I mean? Rather than just, let's just put them in there. If you feel like there's something you can do to kind of help this person, put them on a, was it DRR?

That's a good shot because let's say it was going to be like a five-year sentence. If it was five years suspended, then while you're outside, you know one mistake, I'm in jail for five years. Do you know what I mean? Rather than just, let's just put them in there. If you feel like there's something you can do to kind of help this person, put them on a, was it DRR?

I think that's what it's called, isn't it? Yeah, put them on a DRR, like a drug rehabilitation thing and then get them to kind of change before they...

I think that's what it's called, isn't it? Yeah, put them on a DRR, like a drug rehabilitation thing and then get them to kind of change before they...

If we can get some of these people straight into work with earning money and, you know...

If we can get some of these people straight into work with earning money and, you know...

that could that could be good because i never i was going in prison for about 10 years in total and i never really thought i didn't think i wasn't qualified so i never got university qualifications or anything like that so i thought i'm just it's going to be so hard to get a job and then when i came out i couldn't even do like a cscs course which is like the most basic easiest thing to do they didn't let me do it because of my crime so yeah i guess

that could that could be good because i never i was going in prison for about 10 years in total and i never really thought i didn't think i wasn't qualified so i never got university qualifications or anything like that so i thought i'm just it's going to be so hard to get a job and then when i came out i couldn't even do like a cscs course which is like the most basic easiest thing to do they didn't let me do it because of my crime so yeah i guess

A lot of people don't realise that, you know, there's jobs you can do and this will take you away from having to make money in other ways. Because obviously poverty breeds crime, you know. So I feel like if you just kind of helped in that department and made them feel like somebody responsible, then that's the person they're going to be.

A lot of people don't realise that, you know, there's jobs you can do and this will take you away from having to make money in other ways. Because obviously poverty breeds crime, you know. So I feel like if you just kind of helped in that department and made them feel like somebody responsible, then that's the person they're going to be.

Sorry, go, Coco.

Sorry, go, Coco.