David Parkin

encourage anybody unless they're absolutely and totally committed and understand the pitfalls of the role that they're taking.

It's tough.

Absolutely.

Oh, yeah.

I think having gone down this pathway and understanding where they are and what needs to be done, they've got two extremely capable people in the

administrative roles the two most important roles the two most important people are as good as you can find in our current game or even outside our current game in Australian sport full stop I think they've got two of the best so given that the leadership off field now at I think at board level and in administration at Carlton I think Carlton people can be very positive about the road ahead and

And the opportunity to, A, make finals and, B, win finals, I think is as good as it can be.

Well, I've already made contact because I can...

I have great empathy, Gerard, as you would understand, having been down that pathway three or four times and knowing how it strikes into you as a person and the adverse effects it has on you in your own private lives, but certainly in your public position, whereas I can't walk down Collins Street without eight or ten people

Certainly with Carlton Bryce's wanting to tell me what should be done, et cetera.

That's it, yes.

That becomes your life from that point on.

And poor old Tossie's got to accept that that will be part of the pathway that he treads from this point on.

And it ain't much fun.

Oh, look, I think of the...

the positivity of the multitude of Carlton supporters who have been hanging on to this club and hoping like hell.

I get texts every day, Gerard, every day from people who have played or administrated or coached in that club and the powerful bonds that they have and they're just longing for

some of the success that we were able to achieve way back in the 80s and the middle 90s and they're living their lives in hope before they pass on.

They're going to at least, what's the word, enjoy some of that experience again.

So I hope that for all those people who I meet on a regular basis that the club is able to rebound again and under the