David Paulides

I mean, there's a lot of rumors about the Germans having associations with aliens.

During the Nazi times?

Right.

I know Travis well.

In fact, I was doing a conference in Phoenix, and he brought his son to the conference because his son wanted to meet me because a lot of my work focused around things that happened to Travis.

And I think Travis's case is probably not unique, and there's probably thousands of people out there that just don't want to talk about it.

They just want it to go away.

Because it's too weird and because you feel like a fool.

Yeah, that, and I think maybe they're afraid that they're going to get pigeonholed as what you just said, odd, strange.

Yeah, you're a crazy person.

Yeah.

One of the things I say at conferences is, what if we're the ant farm?

Yeah.

One of the things that Carl said...

That they told him is when he got on that craft is he said, hey, you have my elk.

And they said, yes, Carl.

They said that we often come down to your earth and we take animals and we study them.

And.

You happen to be one of the people that was right there when we were taking that, so we took you too.

And I've heard this before from other abductees that just like you said, we look at and test animals.