David Remnick

This doesn't seem like necessarily a typical person in the finance world, at least as I know it from way outside.

Why did you make her your main character?

I'm speaking with Conrad Kay and Mickey Down, who created HBO's show Industry.

More in a moment.

This is it.

In the very first episode of this season, we have Trump.

The words coming out of my mouth on a podcast.

Here you go.

In a sexual relationship with Satan.

I want to play a clip from season three, and this is Harper arguing with the other really main character, Yasmin.

Let's listen.

Now, it's a great scene, and to some extent it violates what they teach you in writing school, which is to always show, never tell.

It's almost like an operatic scene where two people step to the front of the stage and they spell out in very distinct terms their story.

anger with each other, underneath it maybe their love for each other, their resentments, and who they are.

And the show does that more than many other shows.

The language of the show is front and center.

And his hair up.

You guys don't seem averse to the rewards of capitalism and yet you're making a show that in some ways, not to be, you know, over self-serious, but it's a critique of capitalism to some extent.

How do you circle that square?

Partnerships are not easy to sustain, no matter what they are.