David Remnick

Apropos of your conversations earlier with the head of the police, how are they thinking about enforcement differently from the militarized forces on the ground?

This is the New Yorker Radio Hour.

I'm speaking with staff writers Ruby Kramer and Emily Witt.

We'll continue in just a moment.

Staff writer Emily Witt is on the ground in Minneapolis right now, and Ruby Kramer recently reported from there on how the city's leaders are coping with what looks very much like an occupation by the federal government.

The killings of Rene Good and Alex Preddy have galvanized a national backlash against Trump's immigration tactics.

The chief judge for the Federal District Court of Minnesota identified 96 court orders that ICE has violated in January alone.

Donald Trump is making noises now about backing down or backing off.

But this is a fast-moving situation, and things are changing day to day, including negotiations over the federal budget in Congress.

I spoke with Emily Witt and Ruby Kramer this past week.

Emily, you quote Congresswoman Ilhan Omar in your piece from a hearing in January, January 16th.

Let's listen to a clip from that.

So that's Ilhan Omar.

And of course, the governor, Tim Walz, has said pretty much the same thing.

And yet people holding their phones are getting killed.

Is there anything against the law about recording things on the street, taking out your iPhone and filming the police or ICE?

Now, Alex Preddy was carrying a legal firearm, but he was carrying a firearm, and that has become a major element in the rhetoric against him by any number of people in the federal government.

Ruby, how do we square that?

There's a Second Amendment issue as a political issue.

How do you think about this?