David Remnick

The DOJ was investigating the mayor of Minneapolis?

Emily, you spend time with some people who are trying to keep their community safe.

And you rode around with two people in particular who were trying to spot ice on the streets of Minneapolis.

Many of us have heard about this kind of effort, both in Minneapolis and in other cities.

How does it work?

And what did you see on that ride?

you spoke with two ice observers who ended up themselves being detained a woman named patty o'keefe and a guy named brandon sigenza we're going to listen to a little of brandon sigenza describing this situation i passed by a cell that was like full of people that there was no room to like lay down so they were either standing or sitting in it um people were like staring at the walls

Emily, how long was he in detention?

What about the accounts of the time in detention was most surprising to you?

Let's focus a little bit on those interrogations.

Both Brandon and Patty, Patty O'Keefe, describe what those interrogations were like.

Let's listen to them talking about that.

Surreal is the word for it.

In this interrogation, according to him, he was being offered money, and at the same time he's being intimidated, and he's being offered immigration help for potentially some of his relatives.

Was that surprising to you?

Did you hear that elsewhere around town?

I mean, there is a startling contrast between Minneapolis in the summer of Black Lives Matter and the murder of George Floyd.

It just seems a markedly different approach to protest and resistance.

Or am I getting that wrong, Emily?

Rupi, are the police having to reconceive of their role at all?