David Spark

Right.

But it's chaos in which you can show up and survival of the fittest.

Give them something that actually works.

Right.

And get adoption that way.

So when people say secure by design, you know, I've been hearing that my entire career.

So I'll be honest.

It's one of those phrases that makes me go, oh, just for a moment, because almost every time I've heard it, it's somebody who's basically saying, I want to design from scratch.

Fresh blank sheet of paper.

I'm going to build the most perfect thing.

Rather than saying, how do I design for success?

And sit down and I don't have to build from scratch.

I've got a lot of tools.

We're building on top of the shoulders of not just giants, but also lots and lots of people.

How do we implement successfully so that we end up with security and we don't have to design new security in with every single thing we do because it already exists for us?

That's what I want to hear more about.

Yes, absolutely.

I have a colleague that used to say, if you pave the road, you know it's flat.

And the challenge with drift monitoring, the way most people think about it is your, it's like pothole reporting.

It's like, oh, we're going to go look for the pothole and when we get enough potholes, we'll try to go deal with them.