CISO Series Podcast
If You Like Cloud Misconfigurations So Much, Why Don't You Marry Them!
26 May 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Best advice I ever got in security. Go.
The best advice I've ever received in security is that complexity is a vulnerability.
Chapter 2: What is the best advice for security professionals?
It's time to begin the CISO Series podcast.
Welcome to the CISO Series Podcast. My name is David Spark. I am the producer of said CISO Series and joining us as our co-host, you know him very well. It is the principal over at DUHA, Andy Ellis. Andy, say hello to the audience. Hello to the audience. There you go.
I thought I'd try something new today.
It's like the classic line of walk this way and then they all sort of walk in the same silly motion. It's an old, old gag. We are available at CISOseries.com where you can check out all of our other wonderful programming. We have four other shows on our network. Go discover them. No need to explain now.
Our sponsor for today's episode is Native, the cloud security control plane for the enterprise. And guess what? We're going to be talking a lot about cloud security on this show. And in fact, they're responsible for today's guest, who I will introduce in just a second. But Andy, something unique just happened.
You and I just got back from RSA and we both within an hour just published our summaries of the event. Yours was different than mine. Give us a quick synopsis of what your post was about, which, by the way, the volume you did was insane.
Yeah. Yep. So I did walk the entire show floor, recorded 607 exhibitors. That's a lot. And wrote the state of security vendors, which was my impressions as a buyer who also does marketing of what marketers think they're selling, who's in what spaces, given a view towards like, where's the money coming from for VCs? You know, where are they actually sort of investing in?
To sort of get this overarching view of what's going on, I got to say about 10% of the vendors had zero messaging on their booths at all. No idea what they did. I mean, I knew some of their names, but it was kind of crazy how many couldn't tell what they did from what was on their booth.
Well, so this is a conversation and people listen to show may have heard me say this before. I remember I was walking the floor with Adam Click, who is a CISO himself. And I just said, look at all those names out there. What percentage would you say you know what they do? And just shooting from the hip, he said, like, maybe 25 percent, which may actually I think could be high.
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Chapter 3: How do complexity and misconfigurations impact cloud security?
We should remember that. Yes, there's a ton. Well, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds. And you were able to... I should say RSAC because they've insisted that media call them RSAC this year.
Oh, well, RSAC. There they go. Let's get on with our show, which is far more important. Let me bring on our guests for today's episode. Thrilled to have them on board. They've been a new sponsor with the CISO series and we're thrilled to be working with them. From Native, the CEO and co-founder, our sponsor guest, none other than Amit Megiddo. Amit, thank you so much for joining us. Hi, David.
It's great to be here. Thanks for having us.
The Great CISO Challenge.
What is a CISO's real power? Is a CISO really needed in a moment of crisis? I've spoken to a few CISOs who challenged their employees with the question, what would you do if I wasn't there? Quote, when your team says, we did it ourselves, you have achieved the highest level of leadership, said CISO Trey Craft in their newsletter.
Now, this philosophy also leans into the Socratic method of education. You don't tell people what to do, but rather let them discover it on their own. Maybe you have to guide them, but you let them come to a final decision. Now, my father, who was a doctor, used to do this with his medical students. They'd ask my father, what would he do? And he didn't want to just tell them immediately.
He wanted them to look at the patient or the case study and figure it out for themselves. So if they were missing a key piece of evidence, he would point it out to them. So Andy, I will ask you the same thing. How do you train your staff so they can think critically and ultimately not need you?
So I think the Socratic method is a component and a tool in the toolbox, but I've known a lot of leaders who think that's the only thing they have to do. And there's a lot of people who don't learn well with that. because you're not actually helping them if you just always are challenging them. Well, what would you do if I wasn't here?
Their answer is, I don't know because you've never told me or you've never shown me. So it's a combination of show them, tell them, give them an opportunity to do something with safety rails before you're gonna sort of put them out on their own.
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Chapter 4: What does 'secure by design' mean in cloud environments?
You want to move fast, but you also want to make sure that and then things work well. So finding that right balance. But right now where I am, it's all about trust and the people that work closely with me.
I'm a big fan of the pre-escalation. Teach your people to escalate to you when they're about to say something that they know will escalate to you anyway. They should just reach out to you and say, here's what I'm planning on doing. Here's what I want. And you can then easily redirect them before it becomes a problem rather than afterwards.
What's the best time to do this?
Quote, business wants to go quickly and time to value is absolutely important. Cyber becomes an afterthought, end quote. For EY America's Ayan Roy, as quoted in a recent CSO online piece, cloud misconfigurations aren't a technical problem. They reflect organizational priorities. Dev teams spinning up resources with elevated privileges. They never walk back.
Security teams excluded from the conversations that matter and security sprawl from M&A are the symptoms. And the cloud providers aren't helping. Microsoft, Google, and Amazon hand you an insecure product by default and leave you to figure out the rest. Exposed S3 buckets are a trite cliche at the point, yet the misconfigurations are worse, not better.
70% of Azure VMs are misconfigured, 63% of Google Cloud Platform. So if the tools, the frameworks, and the awareness all exist, why does this keep happening? Is cloud security fundamentally a business velocity problem that security is always working around?
What's one structural move a CISO could focus on, Amit, I'm throwing this to you, that would make the biggest difference in turning the tide on misconfigurations? By the way, this is a story that comes up again and again and again. What's your take?
So first of all, I'll start with answering the question directly and then maybe I'll take a step back. Answering directly, what should a CISO do to sort of address this issue? I think for too long, we've sort of let these things happen and then fixing them after the thought is a huge challenge. We can get into why. I think the one thing is to start at the architecture level, right?
How do we ensure that The architecture, the secure by design architecture that went through the review actually is translated into an enforceable architecture at the CSP, at the cloud service provider level.
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Chapter 5: How can CISOs empower their teams to operate independently?
Or in the second one, sure, I don't even know what my architecture is, but at least I have one. And generally, it's pretty decent. It's reasonable. These folks are doing... Well, it's all over the map. There are holes in this thing like Swiss cheese. But the other one doesn't even have the cheese. It's nothing but the hole. In the first one, I don't actually have a security program at all.
Like, there's something written down. That's not a security program. That's a vaporware. I would much rather have the second where I've got people actually out helping make things marginally better. Yes, I know my successor is going to have an awful future, but that is not part of the scenario is what my successor gets. It's only what I'm stuck with. So I would rather have the second.
First one is worse. We're not doing anything from a security perspective. All right. I throw this to you, Amit. Agree or disagree?
I was really looking forward to disagreeing with Andy, but... But yeah, I have to agree with him. And I think the main reason is sort of like what it points to, like the organizational culture and what's the harder gap to bridge, right?
Like if you sat for hours and you know what good luck's like, but you don't have the organization expertise or culture to actually do something about it, that's a huge gap. Whereas if you didn't do that exercise, but people are, there is that motion in the organization to implement, to do, to push architectural controls into the environment. You're in a better situation.
And then the gap, that gap you have to bridge is, okay, now let's understand what is the current state? Where are the gaps? What does good look like? And you have to go and do the work. In either case, you have to go to do the work. But the first one sounds much more daunting work if even finding the right people that can have the expertise and the want to do it.
So I have to agree with Andy on this one.
All right. Andy gets another win.
yeah i've got to say i'm really happy that near tossed that rule at us because he threw it at me because i used to modify the scenarios and be like well because in the old world i'd have been like well i would take the first one because i can make it better and so he you know gave us the rule if you can't make these better you're stuck with them you can't you're stuck with these yes none of these would be bad if you could change scenarios right
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