Davina McCall

And I think I've seen people that find it hard to hear, maybe in a big busy restaurant or restaurant.

And you kind of see them kind of leaning in and then you just see them kind of check out a bit.

Oh, I'll just watch this conversation happening.

I can imagine that.

Really stressful.

So that's interesting.

So if somebody is thinking that they may be getting the beginnings...

I know as a person of like later midlife, like I'm getting on now, that loss of hearing is something that you don't want to admit to.

It's a pride thing.

And you don't want people to think that you're old.

I mean, I know some people are really proud and don't mind getting old at all, but lots of people do.

And it's about like not wanting to go to get checked, but wearing a hearing aid

Does that make a difference?

Yes.

It's really hard.

How did you do it?

I think, um... Today, I am joined by the incredible Dabla Mescal, a brilliant author, and mum of Nell, Donika, and Paul Mescal.

She shares how we often find ourselves growing smaller just to survive in a world that doesn't always make space for you.

My voice rattled inside me for a long time.

I think it's what we want for our kids, that their voice is heard.