Dawn O’Porter

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Do you remember when you used to wear stockings?

Yeah, I knew you were going to say that.

She used to just go, we'd just go to the pub and Jen would just have, like, hold up stockings on and I was like, you're so hot, what's happening?

That's so good.

He hates them.

I think I said I wasn't competitive about 10 minutes ago, didn't I?

Gemma's going to pass out.

Oh, my God.

That was a natural high.

Just a little bit of asphyxiation there.

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So I tend to think of it as those three main areas, like people, funding, regulation.

And that had been developed over a number of decades.

And what had developed was a framework, if you like, that made multilateral collaboration between countries in the European Union as seamless as possible.

So that if you were a UK researcher and you wanted to collaborate,

do a big collaboration across Europe on, let's say, a rare disease or some kind of research into the future of aerospace or something like that.

It was quite straightforward to bring together universities and businesses across a number of countries.

And all the sort of legal and financial and practical paperwork, if you like, was in place.