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Yeah. It's like if you put something into API, someone will use it and become a permanent thing, like no matter what, even if you don't attend to. Yeah, I don't. There's a name for it. I'm blanking on it, too.

Yeah. It's like if you put something into API, someone will use it and become a permanent thing, like no matter what, even if you don't attend to. Yeah, I don't. There's a name for it. I'm blanking on it, too.

Yeah, I know all the laws. I just never remember the names. They're all familiar, but yeah.

Yeah, I know all the laws. I just never remember the names. They're all familiar, but yeah.

Yeah. Okay, so you've been... So how long have you been at Cloudflare again?

Yeah. Okay, so you've been... So how long have you been at Cloudflare again?

That is so crazy. Okay, so I guess eight years ago... There's obviously been this... effort from Cloudflare to build, you know, like a Cloudflare platform for people to build applications on. That probably started around eight years ago? Like, when did that really start?

That is so crazy. Okay, so I guess eight years ago... There's obviously been this... effort from Cloudflare to build, you know, like a Cloudflare platform for people to build applications on. That probably started around eight years ago? Like, when did that really start?

yeah the being able to like program your cdn thing it's it's interesting the way you described it because we basically saw the exact same thing on the aws side we had you know we're helping people deploy all these things behind a cdn and they kept being like well i want to do this if the user it speaks this language or i want to do this if they're from this country and i want to like redirect them in this place and it just becomes

yeah the being able to like program your cdn thing it's it's interesting the way you described it because we basically saw the exact same thing on the aws side we had you know we're helping people deploy all these things behind a cdn and they kept being like well i want to do this if the user it speaks this language or i want to do this if they're from this country and i want to like redirect them in this place and it just becomes

it's funny how like a whole computing platform came out of that need until it makes total sense. Cause there's just infinite custom logic people want to apply. And yeah, it was the same thing. Like, you know, initially it was just, you had patterns and you can like send them different places and like, maybe like rewrite the header somewhat.

it's funny how like a whole computing platform came out of that need until it makes total sense. Cause there's just infinite custom logic people want to apply. And yeah, it was the same thing. Like, you know, initially it was just, you had patterns and you can like send them different places and like, maybe like rewrite the header somewhat.

Uh, they eventually did add like a computing thing, but it's, it's so hilariously limited. It, um, You can run logic when a request comes in, but it can only run for one millisecond. It has one millisecond runtime limit. And it's like a, you already know this, but I'm forgetting the engine. It's not like, it's like a very slim down. It's not like Node.js or like worker D or anything.

Uh, they eventually did add like a computing thing, but it's, it's so hilariously limited. It, um, You can run logic when a request comes in, but it can only run for one millisecond. It has one millisecond runtime limit. And it's like a, you already know this, but I'm forgetting the engine. It's not like, it's like a very slim down. It's not like Node.js or like worker D or anything.

It's like pure JavaScript, like no other APIs, nothing. And even that like unlocked a lot, but yeah, it's just not enough. You need like a full thing eventually.

It's like pure JavaScript, like no other APIs, nothing. And even that like unlocked a lot, but yeah, it's just not enough. You need like a full thing eventually.

yeah and you can't change this is a huge issue we can't change the origin so if we want complex you can change the path you can't change the origin so if you want like to build like a complex routing logic you just can't do that yeah and for the longest time they kept directing people to lambda edge but that runs like, after the CDN. Like, you can't change a lot of things.

yeah and you can't change this is a huge issue we can't change the origin so if we want complex you can change the path you can't change the origin so if you want like to build like a complex routing logic you just can't do that yeah and for the longest time they kept directing people to lambda edge but that runs like, after the CDN. Like, you can't change a lot of things.

So a lot of this stuff feels like they stumble into a problem and they, like, do a quick reactionary thing. The thing you brought up with VCL is funny because I think this pattern shows up in a lot of places. There's something called VTL, which is a...

So a lot of this stuff feels like they stumble into a problem and they, like, do a quick reactionary thing. The thing you brought up with VCL is funny because I think this pattern shows up in a lot of places. There's something called VTL, which is a...