Deborah Roberts

Ryan, your compassion and just your kindness toward her comes through, and we certainly saw it on camera. I mean, she's dripping with emotion there in her voice and just in her demeanor. That must have been also hard for you just to even guide her through this.

Yeah. And we've both done stories like this where we've interviewed law enforcement officers, particularly in smaller towns where they haven't, as you said, dealt with this kind of thing. Crimes of passion from time to time, of course, violence here and there. But this one goes to a whole different level, as she said. Well, we're going to take another quick break.

Yeah. And we've both done stories like this where we've interviewed law enforcement officers, particularly in smaller towns where they haven't, as you said, dealt with this kind of thing. Crimes of passion from time to time, of course, violence here and there. But this one goes to a whole different level, as she said. Well, we're going to take another quick break.

Yeah. And we've both done stories like this where we've interviewed law enforcement officers, particularly in smaller towns where they haven't, as you said, dealt with this kind of thing. Crimes of passion from time to time, of course, violence here and there. But this one goes to a whole different level, as she said. Well, we're going to take another quick break.

And when we come back, the mystery at the heart of the story, the question I know that our listeners are thinking and wondering, why did this happen? Stay with us.

And when we come back, the mystery at the heart of the story, the question I know that our listeners are thinking and wondering, why did this happen? Stay with us.

And when we come back, the mystery at the heart of the story, the question I know that our listeners are thinking and wondering, why did this happen? Stay with us.

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We are back now with Ryan talking about this incredible story. And one of the things that's so compelling in a story like this, Ryan, and we have to talk about his motive, because we're talking about a 23-year-old son who presumably had loving parents. He still lived with them. And, you know, for him to do something like this, why? You talked about his life unraveling.

We are back now with Ryan talking about this incredible story. And one of the things that's so compelling in a story like this, Ryan, and we have to talk about his motive, because we're talking about a 23-year-old son who presumably had loving parents. He still lived with them. And, you know, for him to do something like this, why? You talked about his life unraveling.

We are back now with Ryan talking about this incredible story. And one of the things that's so compelling in a story like this, Ryan, and we have to talk about his motive, because we're talking about a 23-year-old son who presumably had loving parents. He still lived with them. And, you know, for him to do something like this, why? You talked about his life unraveling.

Clearly, he had secrets he didn't want his parents to know about. But, you know, we all have, you know, those of us who have kids know that sometimes they hide things. But what would move him to go in this direction? What have we heard from Chandler?

Clearly, he had secrets he didn't want his parents to know about. But, you know, we all have, you know, those of us who have kids know that sometimes they hide things. But what would move him to go in this direction? What have we heard from Chandler?

Clearly, he had secrets he didn't want his parents to know about. But, you know, we all have, you know, those of us who have kids know that sometimes they hide things. But what would move him to go in this direction? What have we heard from Chandler?

No, I'm sorry. I can't believe this could have happened. No explanation to give family members some idea of what went wrong.

No, I'm sorry. I can't believe this could have happened. No explanation to give family members some idea of what went wrong.

No, I'm sorry. I can't believe this could have happened. No explanation to give family members some idea of what went wrong.

rather than being left with this gruesome, grisly impression of just how their lives ended. Well, we've got an extended clip from your interview with Barbie. Let's take a listen.