Deborah Roberts

So we so appreciate your doing that and for being with us here.

And maybe one of these days you'll be here in the studio and we can sit across from each other.

And thank you all for being with us for this podcast episode.

You can watch all of our 2020 episodes, of course, the latest ones on Friday nights on ABC, and you can stream episodes like this one anytime on Disney Plus and Hulu.

Hope you have a good day and thanks for being with us.

She knows.

How did you blab?

I always knew that you would end up doing something great.

Hello, everybody.

Welcome to 2020 The After Show.

I'm Debra Roberts.

And as always, I'm so glad that you're spending some time with us today.

We have got a special episode.

If you've been with us, you know that we typically take you behind the scenes of our latest 2020 program.

But today we're going to take a little detour.

With somebody who spent a lot of time examining acts of betrayal and deceit, we're gonna hear from Andrea Gunning.

She hosts a popular true crime podcast called Betrayal.

It is at the center of almost everything that they are showing us.

It inspired the hit series Betrayal, Secrets and Lies.

This show focuses not just on horrific crimes of fraud, double lives, and deep deception, the kinds of things that you see on 2020 programs a lot, but most important, it celebrates the remarkable resilience of the people who have overcome the unthinkable.