Deborah Roberts

And there's a lesson there often.

But I'm very curious.

I've been dying to ask somebody this.

And you're the perfect person.

Because oftentimes when people come up to me to talk about how much they enjoy 2020 episodes, they're women.

And a big chunk of our audience is women.

Why do you think so many women gravitate to true crime in general?

And, you know, putting these podcasts like yours and our program, you know, sort of at the top of the heap.

What is it about women being fascinated by true crime, do you think?

And I don't know, I have to sort of part with you a little bit there because I kind of do believe there are red flags.

And I think when you see these stories, you know, oftentimes you see patterns repeated.

And sometimes I think it is easy to overlook these things.

And, you know, I don't know when I just sort of take the whole of what we're looking at.

I happen to think, too, that women may be drawn to these stories.

As you say, they're curious.

And it's not really just about the crime.

It's not about the gore.

I think it's about putting the puzzle pieces together, how the police or whoever untangled these cases, how they were able to do that.

I think they're just very curious about how things play out.

And to your point, too, resilience, how people overcame something.