Deborah Roberts

Well, that's what I wanted to get at because you've been covering these cases for decades. You know, you have been at it a long time, as have I. And the technology has changed a lot over the years. And when you talk about sometimes things that are circumstantial, and that happens a lot with the cases we cover on 2020.

But that has changed a lot and made the police work a little bit more fruitful, hasn't it?

But that has changed a lot and made the police work a little bit more fruitful, hasn't it?

That's what's so interesting, the timeline, you know, and they're able to do that with all of this technology. Yeah, kind of walk us through that a little bit.

That's what's so interesting, the timeline, you know, and they're able to do that with all of this technology. Yeah, kind of walk us through that a little bit.

Let's talk about your reaction, Pat, in the courtroom, because one of the things that just grabs me in a lot of our reporting is when these cases are revealed and there are kids involved. And so Monica's then 16-year-old daughter, Isabella, is the one who found her father brutally, brutally stabbed to death outside their house near the pool. And she testified in the trial.

Let's talk about your reaction, Pat, in the courtroom, because one of the things that just grabs me in a lot of our reporting is when these cases are revealed and there are kids involved. And so Monica's then 16-year-old daughter, Isabella, is the one who found her father brutally, brutally stabbed to death outside their house near the pool. And she testified in the trial.

And talk to us about the family and watching that and seeing the daughter's testimony, and particularly for you as, you know, not just as a journalist, but as a person.

And talk to us about the family and watching that and seeing the daughter's testimony, and particularly for you as, you know, not just as a journalist, but as a person.

And that had such an impact in the courtroom, too, when you think about that. But yet, Isabella still, you know, defends her mom. I mean, she wants to actually see her mom.

And that had such an impact in the courtroom, too, when you think about that. But yet, Isabella still, you know, defends her mom. I mean, she wants to actually see her mom.

And also for their future, too. I mean, going forward. I mean, how can you process all of that? But that's what really got me in this case, too, that they still they don't really believe that she could have as much as they probably know that their mom could be callous and all of that. They don't want to believe that she could do something that heinous. No.

And also for their future, too. I mean, going forward. I mean, how can you process all of that? But that's what really got me in this case, too, that they still they don't really believe that she could have as much as they probably know that their mom could be callous and all of that. They don't want to believe that she could do something that heinous. No.

Pat, you have, as we said earlier, you've covered so many of these cases. And oftentimes when I'm out there in the field and I'm reporting on these things and getting all the details, you do think that you just couldn't make this up. No, you can't. Yeah, this one I think you said it's up there for you in terms of what you found so fascinating about it, the human condition, very Shakespearean.

Pat, you have, as we said earlier, you've covered so many of these cases. And oftentimes when I'm out there in the field and I'm reporting on these things and getting all the details, you do think that you just couldn't make this up. No, you can't. Yeah, this one I think you said it's up there for you in terms of what you found so fascinating about it, the human condition, very Shakespearean.

You know, this is one you're not going to forget for a long time.

You know, this is one you're not going to forget for a long time.

Right. We talk about the timeline and everything kind of falling into place for this murder, if Monica indeed did it. But do you think she wanted her daughter? She set it up for her daughter to find her father's body? Or do you think that was just collateral damage here?

Right. We talk about the timeline and everything kind of falling into place for this murder, if Monica indeed did it. But do you think she wanted her daughter? She set it up for her daughter to find her father's body? Or do you think that was just collateral damage here?

One of the things that was so incredible is that there are two murder suspects here, and one testified for the prosecution, one testifies for the defense. Talk about that accomplice to Robert Baker.