Chapter 1: What happened to Ashley Schwalm and how was her body discovered?
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Chapter 2: What initial conclusions did investigators draw about Ashley's death?
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Chapter 3: What evidence suggested that Ashley's death was not an accident?
Hi there, everybody. Welcome to 2020 The After Show. I'm Debra Roberts, and thank you so much for taking some time to be with us today to take a deeper look inside our latest 2020 episodes. If you saw it, it was a riveting program, and if you didn't, we're gonna break it down for you now. It was called Footprints in the Snow, and it centers around Ashley Schwalm,
a mom of two kids, an interior designer. She had a lovely marriage, it appeared, to a respected fire captain, James Schwalm. The family lived what looked like an idyllic life next to a ski slope, of all things, so sort of a basic winter wonderland existence. And that's where she met her husband, by the way. She and James fell in love. in this ski area.
But on January 26, 2023, what appeared to be a fairy tale kind of life really became a nightmare. Ashley's body was found burned beyond recognition inside her car at the bottom of a ditch. Well, of course, investigators initially thinking it was an accident thought this was just a tragic, horrible story. And they quickly discovered that it was not an accident. But a cold, calculated murder.
And the big question was, who would want this young mom dead? And how did they zero in on their killer? Well, now we're going to take a good look behind the scenes of how this investigation played out and how the Snow played a pivotal role in their investigation. And there's also some material we're going to tell you about that you didn't get a chance to see in our 2020 piece.
So Juju Chang, my colleague, is here.
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Chapter 4: How did the investigation reveal the dynamics of Ashley's marriage?
Hi, Juju. Hi, Debra. Welcome to the podcast. You and I are always talking in the hallway about what we're working on, what story we're working on, and invariably you have one that just really grabs my attention. Oh, you're sweet.
I mean, honestly, this story represents so many of our producers out in the field gathering information, but it is really at its core the story of a sort of picture-perfect marriage that maybe wasn't so perfect after all.
This couple living by the ski area, and she's an interior designer. He's a firefighter. They have two children. When you first heard about this story, and I should say, it took you to Canada. I covered one in Canada years ago. We don't often go to Canada to cover stories, but this one was just so... intriguing with the headlines.
It was idyllic. If you look at their wedding photos, literally a horse-drawn carriage in the middle of this winter wonderland, which as you know in the summertime is gorgeous as well. And they considered their ski house a four seasons paradise. I also got to travel to the Bahamas where
Chapter 5: What role did technology play in uncovering the truth behind Ashley's murder?
Ashley's dad lives and spends a lot of time, in fact, that's where he got the news that his daughter had died in this fiery car crash. And really what unfolds is this sort of slow peeling away the layers of this mystery. It involves texts, it involves betrayal, it involves incredible forensics.
It's one of those riveting shows that has it all. Let's get a sense of our victim, Ashley. What did you learn about her? She was 40, just a couple years older than her husband. Absolutely.
You know, I talked to her dad, her sister, one of her best friends, and they paint a picture of her as, you know, that cliche, she lit up a room. Well, she literally lit up the room and was the life of the party. She would dance on tables and celebrate. And she was the kind of mom that people would refer to as the the fun mom who would get on the floor and play with her kids.
And you could tell that she just had one of those magnetic personalities. She was a talented interior designer and really devoted to her family.
And then what about him? Because, you know, he swept her off her feet, her family told you.
Yeah.
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Chapter 6: What circumstantial evidence pointed towards James Schwalm as a suspect?
And he was one of those, again, like straight out of a postcard. He would do public service announcements on fire safety and he would like be rappelling down the building and have his six pack abs out. And everyone thought they just had the perfect, charming life. In fact, they called them the million dollar family. One boy, one girl. Perfect little house. Perfect, perfect, perfect.
but not so perfect after all. Yeah, not so perfect. And we discover this all the time in stories you and I do, especially when there are couples who people say seem to have a great marriage. Behind the scenes, sometimes there's something else going on. And in this case, there was trouble in their marriage. Literally trouble in paradise, right?
And so I think part of it was she was also exceedingly close with her sisters. And we've talked about sisterhood. And when they moved away from Toronto to the ski resort, which was like two hours away, it kind of isolated her according to her friends and her family. And I think there was a sense that maybe she felt a little bit isolated from her friends and family.
And that was where some of the unease began.
Yeah, and we've talked about that too with some of our experts in these stories about women who sometimes feel either trapped or something's going on and there are red flags maybe that they haven't really noticed that.
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Chapter 7: What were the key findings from the forensic analysis of the crime scene?
It fits a pattern for sure. Yeah, that's come up in a lot of our stories. So She is suddenly in what appears to be a fiery car crash, an accident. Everybody's just horrified at the bottom of a ditch. And tell us a little bit about it. So it was her husband's car. She drove the car all the time. It's this burning car. But that was already a tip off the way the car was burning.
Absolutely. And, you know, it really helps. I'm sure you've seen this when you go out to the actual accident site and you see it differently than even in photos. And what you notice is that whoever was driving the car, I should say, drove right off the road. It was a slow, like between a guardrail and trees. And it was a slow speed crash.
And so the question was, how did it burn so hot and for so long? And clearly, the firefighters who approached on the scene thought it should have been out by now. The fact that there were accelerants on the scene was an immediate tip off to ooh, red flags.
This wasn't just an accident.
Chapter 8: What was the outcome of the trial and how did it affect Ashley's family?
So tell us a little bit about that, because I found that kind of interesting when you and I were talking about that earlier, that The car was burning beyond, like typically, I guess if it's an engine fire, it is something that goes out pretty quickly, but this was kind of a stubborn fire, but that immediately set off some signals for them.
Absolutely. When you go out to the scene, you still see the charred trees. And when they found that there was a body inside, it was burned beyond recognition. So it was really difficult for them to get the clues. What they did was something that forensics Really, modern day forensics really are fascinating.
They lifted the entire car and they took it to Toronto, again, two hours away, to a center called the Center for Forensic Sciences in Toronto. And they didn't want to lose any of the forensic evidence in the car. And so it was inside this center that they removed her body. They found traces of gasoline on her socks. They found, and then they did an autopsy to reveal the cause of death.
And they realized her lungs didn't have any soot inside them.
Which it would have if she had died in that fire. But that's so interesting, though. They took the crime scene to them. Exactly. And oftentimes, you know, they're processing right there on the scene, but they took it someplace to control everything they got. That was fascinating. Exactly. The entire car was a crime scene. So she didn't have any soot.
And this is within days of having found her body. So they immediately know that this was no accident. Now they know that they're looking for a killer. And she was not in the driver's seat, right? Exactly.
She was found in the well of the passenger seat. And they look at video, obviously. And the investigators do what they always do, is they talk to the husband. They talk to friends. They talk to people who might have seen her. And her husband immediately comes up with an alibi. You know, I was walking my dog. I went, you know, here's the video camera. Let me show it to you.
Let me show you the text chain that I had with her explaining why she was going on this bizarre morning, early morning hike in the middle of a snowstorm at five o'clock in the morning. I mean, it was just, some things just weren't out adding up even before they were looking at the car.
So when they reached out to James to tell him that is what they suspected and obviously that his wife had died, um, Their radar went up pretty quickly. I mean, and this happens a lot. You and I see it, whether we see it in the investigative video or this tape when they sit and they interrogate people. But their radar went up pretty quickly with him.
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