Deborah Roberts

And you mentioned the Slayer lawsuit, and that is basically a Slayer petition means you can't profit from or you can't collect money after somebody has died.

I want to talk about that. But we're going to take a break first, though. And when we come back, we're going to unpack this tangled web of family, personal history and drama at the heart of the story.

I want to talk about that. But we're going to take a break first, though. And when we come back, we're going to unpack this tangled web of family, personal history and drama at the heart of the story.

We're back with the 2020 After Show, and Jonathan, the producer of the piece that we worked on together, is here. This story isn't just about a murder investigation. It's about a very, not just fractured, I guess, dysfunctional family. There are a lot of dynamics at work here. I thought that was so intriguing. You and I started off by looking at the family tree.

We're back with the 2020 After Show, and Jonathan, the producer of the piece that we worked on together, is here. This story isn't just about a murder investigation. It's about a very, not just fractured, I guess, dysfunctional family. There are a lot of dynamics at work here. I thought that was so intriguing. You and I started off by looking at the family tree.

John Chocolos, this patriarch, this wealthy patriarch of this family who had been murdered, had four daughters- One of them was Nathan's mom. That was just really interesting to find out how the money and how it affected the family and how there were fights within the family. And Nathan's mom, Linda, butted heads with her father a lot over life and the way she was raising her son.

John Chocolos, this patriarch, this wealthy patriarch of this family who had been murdered, had four daughters- One of them was Nathan's mom. That was just really interesting to find out how the money and how it affected the family and how there were fights within the family. And Nathan's mom, Linda, butted heads with her father a lot over life and the way she was raising her son.

And that she wanted to try to repair the relationship.

And that she wanted to try to repair the relationship.

Yeah, a very tight-knit, we were told by them, a tight-knit Greek family too. One of the family members we actually got to meet was Charlene Gallagher, who was a younger sister to Linda. Let's hear an extended clip of that interview.

Yeah, a very tight-knit, we were told by them, a tight-knit Greek family too. One of the family members we actually got to meet was Charlene Gallagher, who was a younger sister to Linda. Let's hear an extended clip of that interview.

You can hear the pain in her voice. We should say that Nathan was awaiting trial when he wound up taking his own life. The clip kind of really brings home, I think, how devastating these events were for this family. I mean, to have three family members.

You can hear the pain in her voice. We should say that Nathan was awaiting trial when he wound up taking his own life. The clip kind of really brings home, I think, how devastating these events were for this family. I mean, to have three family members.

Chuck LaPena, who you interviewed, Deborah, is cousin of Nathan.

Chuck LaPena, who you interviewed, Deborah, is cousin of Nathan.

Wow, that's how that came about.

Wow, that's how that came about.

And you certainly didn't want to presume to ask him to go to the cemetery.

And you certainly didn't want to presume to ask him to go to the cemetery.

Well, they never found her body, but he wanted at least a stone to represent her.