Deborah Roberts

But she doesn't think anything sinister.

She doesn't think he's capable of anything sinister.

Horrible.

Yeah.

Well, and she discovered what he was hiding in the sock drawer of all things.

The sock drawer?

Yeah.

But she discovers, I mean, her life kind of explodes in her face when she discovers, what, unpaid bills?

be capable of killing his ex-wife and he could be capable of killing me and she took her kids in the middle of the night and and left well that was a key point of the story let's talk about that because nick would tell police that they were about to be evicted from the first home he and heidi and that was very pivotal in that investigation because their finances were a mess he says his wife knew about it but her family and friends said that yeah she didn't know anything about this

So this case has gone on for a while in terms of the unsolved murder.

Yes.

Nothing has happened.

But now Rachel is kind of ready to move on.

She wants to leave him.

And it's not an easy thing for her to do.

I remember she told us about that.

And we'll talk more about her interview.

But then a new detective hits the scene and it would be a woman detective, which I always loved.

Nicole Sipes.

Well, this happens in our stories a lot where somebody new hits the scene and they look at the evidence again.