Debra Kamin

And Peter Siri is very, very obsessed with this community in South Africa called Orania.

It is a community that was created under apartheid for whites only.

The government of South Africa has said that it's not exactly legal, but they've pretty much just ignored it.

And he holds it up as a model that can be followed in the U.S., a place only for whites to, quote-unquote, preserve their culture, to live without anyone else around them.

And they believe that if they can figure out a way legally within the confines of the U.S.

to create a community that is similar, they can succeed the same way Afrikaners have in creating a place that's just for them.

So what's their plan exactly?

They decide to create it using a private association for members only.

Just like a country club.

Just like a country club.

But just like a country club can screen you, they screen you for being sufficiently white.

So Rachel, I asked Eric that exact question and he was hesitant to give a straight answer.

I was just asking how you verify whiteness.

I love that you have such a humor about it.

No, if they actually have a questionnaire and if they decide that they want to potentially interview you, you will get the questionnaire.

They were not willing to share it with me when I was there.

But Eric did say they have a set of questions they ask people.

They're like gut check questions about being quote unquote sufficiently white.

I'm actually making quotes with my fingers here.

But really their terminology sufficiently white actually means sharing a mindset on a bunch of different issues.