Dennis McKenna

We thought LSD is interesting, but DMT is the ultimate metaphysical reality pill, we thought. Although it's not a pill, but Terrence used to call it that. It's the ultimate metaphysical reality. The problem we experienced with DMT was it was too darn short. By the time you got into it,

it was over, you know, by the time you got into it and sort of started looking around, you were already on the way down. So we thought, well, maybe if we could find an orally active form of some kind, it would be more prolonged and we'd have more time to look into that dimension, which is what we thought of it as. We thought of it as a place, not an experience, but an actual

it was over, you know, by the time you got into it and sort of started looking around, you were already on the way down. So we thought, well, maybe if we could find an orally active form of some kind, it would be more prolonged and we'd have more time to look into that dimension, which is what we thought of it as. We thought of it as a place, not an experience, but an actual

it was over, you know, by the time you got into it and sort of started looking around, you were already on the way down. So we thought, well, maybe if we could find an orally active form of some kind, it would be more prolonged and we'd have more time to look into that dimension, which is what we thought of it as. We thought of it as a place, not an experience, but an actual

place that our minds were teleported to or something like that. We thought if we could find another form that was orally active, it would absorb most slowly and go away more slowly. So that's what led us to look for an orally active form of DMT in South America. This was all around 1968, 1969. Okay. And we didn't know about ayahuasca.

place that our minds were teleported to or something like that. We thought if we could find another form that was orally active, it would absorb most slowly and go away more slowly. So that's what led us to look for an orally active form of DMT in South America. This was all around 1968, 1969. Okay. And we didn't know about ayahuasca.

place that our minds were teleported to or something like that. We thought if we could find another form that was orally active, it would absorb most slowly and go away more slowly. So that's what led us to look for an orally active form of DMT in South America. This was all around 1968, 1969. Okay. And we didn't know about ayahuasca.

Ayahuasca is an orally active form of DMT, but no one understood that pharmacology at that time. What we did find was a paper by Schultes, the famous ethnobotanist from Harvard that was major influence on all of these psychedelically inclined ethnobotanists. A paper in his own house publication called the Harvard Botanical Museum Leaflets.

Ayahuasca is an orally active form of DMT, but no one understood that pharmacology at that time. What we did find was a paper by Schultes, the famous ethnobotanist from Harvard that was major influence on all of these psychedelically inclined ethnobotanists. A paper in his own house publication called the Harvard Botanical Museum Leaflets.

Ayahuasca is an orally active form of DMT, but no one understood that pharmacology at that time. What we did find was a paper by Schultes, the famous ethnobotanist from Harvard that was major influence on all of these psychedelically inclined ethnobotanists. A paper in his own house publication called the Harvard Botanical Museum Leaflets.

And he published many, many things on South American psychedelics. He was the pioneer in those days. They called them hallucinogens. But he published a paper in that journal called Verola as an Orally Active Hallucinogen. That was the title. And we stumbled on this paper and we thought – This is it, man. This is what we're looking for. It was this Watoto drug that they use.

And he published many, many things on South American psychedelics. He was the pioneer in those days. They called them hallucinogens. But he published a paper in that journal called Verola as an Orally Active Hallucinogen. That was the title. And we stumbled on this paper and we thought – This is it, man. This is what we're looking for. It was this Watoto drug that they use.

And he published many, many things on South American psychedelics. He was the pioneer in those days. They called them hallucinogens. But he published a paper in that journal called Verola as an Orally Active Hallucinogen. That was the title. And we stumbled on this paper and we thought – This is it, man. This is what we're looking for. It was this Watoto drug that they use.

Varroa is a genus of trees in the nutmeg family. And in many tribes in the Amazon, they make snuff out of it, the sap of Varroa. is loaded with DMT and 5-methoxy-DMT and related tryptamines. And various tribes, they extract the sap and they powder it and they mix it with ashes and they make a snuff out of it. So effectively, it's DMT. And it's short-acting.

Varroa is a genus of trees in the nutmeg family. And in many tribes in the Amazon, they make snuff out of it, the sap of Varroa. is loaded with DMT and 5-methoxy-DMT and related tryptamines. And various tribes, they extract the sap and they powder it and they mix it with ashes and they make a snuff out of it. So effectively, it's DMT. And it's short-acting.

Varroa is a genus of trees in the nutmeg family. And in many tribes in the Amazon, they make snuff out of it, the sap of Varroa. is loaded with DMT and 5-methoxy-DMT and related tryptamines. And various tribes, they extract the sap and they powder it and they mix it with ashes and they make a snuff out of it. So effectively, it's DMT. And it's short-acting.

But this one tribe, the Wetoto, had an orally active preparation. They made, instead of a snuff... They made a powder out of it. And they made a paste. They made a little – they didn't dry it down completely. They made a sticky paste. They rolled that in ashes and then they ate it orally.

But this one tribe, the Wetoto, had an orally active preparation. They made, instead of a snuff... They made a powder out of it. And they made a paste. They made a little – they didn't dry it down completely. They made a sticky paste. They rolled that in ashes and then they ate it orally.

But this one tribe, the Wetoto, had an orally active preparation. They made, instead of a snuff... They made a powder out of it. And they made a paste. They made a little – they didn't dry it down completely. They made a sticky paste. They rolled that in ashes and then they ate it orally.

The effects came on very quickly and that you saw the little people. They were big into seeing the little people and we saw little people on DMT. So we thought this is it. We got to go to South America. That is what led us to go to South America in 1971. to La Charrera, that was the cultural, that was the ancestral home of the Wetoto.