Dennis Whyte

And it turns out the precision of those is more stringent, yeah.

Of the concepts which are there, the tokamak is by far the most mature in terms of its...

breadth of performance and um and thinking about how it would be applied in a fusion energy system and the history of this was that many in fact you asked what if we go back to the history of the plasma science and fusion center the history of fusion is that people scientists had started to work on this in the 1950s it was all hush hush and you know cold war and all that kind of stuff

And it's like they realized, holy cow, this is like really hard.

Like we actually don't really know like what we're doing in this because everything was at low temperatures.

They couldn't get confinement.

It was interesting.

And then they declassified it.

And this is one of the few places that the West and the Soviet Union actually collaborated on was a science.

Even during the middle of the Cold War.

It was really interesting.

And this actually perpetuates all the way to now for, we can talk about the project that that is sort of captured in now.

But, and the reason they declassified it was because like everything like kind of like sucked basically, you know, about trying to make this confinement in high temperature plasma.

And then the Russians, then the Soviets, right, came along with this device called a tokamak, which is a Russian acronym, which basically means magnetic coils arranged in the shape of a donut.

And they said, holy cow, like everyone was stuck at like a meager, like half a million degrees, half a million degrees, which is like infusion terms of zero, basically.

Right.

And then they come along and they say, oh, we've actually achieved a temperature 20 times higher than everybody else.

And it's actually started to make fusion reactions.

And everyone just goes, oh, you know, no way.

It's just hype.