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And I would say very, very, very few doctors or consultants working in our health care system who would come out or come on your show and say, yes, I will provide different levels of safety.

Safety, right?

The most fundamental requirement of any medical care service.

It starts with the safety of the patients.

And you're actually going to say, if you don't give me 4,000 quid, your level of safety is going to be less than that of somebody who does.

I don't actually believe, by the way,

But they do provide different levels of safety.

Because I think this would be hugely unethical.

I don't think the medical council would stand over it.

I don't think the medical profession would stand over it.

But what this is doing is sending out a message.

And this is the distress you're getting from a lot of your callers.

What they're doing is sending out a message which is basically saying, if you really, really, really want to be safe, you have to give us a chunk of money.

And that is simply wrong.

Listen, I mean, really, I'm running out of patience.

Stinton is preaching.

He is a man who will never have a baby.

I'm delighted that his kids were born in the public system when this country had probably at least a million less people.

The reality is

There are 39% of women in the Rotunda and more in Hollow Street who choose and who want to have consultant-led care.