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And by the way, Mount Carmel was not just a maternity hospital.

People seem to forget that.

There were loads of other operations carried out there.

It was an excellent hospital for many, many years.

So listen, thank you, Ciarán, for taking my call and

That's it.

I'm glad that I got the opportunity to make my decision.

Yes, it is.

And also, this is typical distraction stuff, isn't it?

I've been around long enough to know this is what, you know, you just take a phrase or something, rather than dealing with the fundamental issue.

It's very striking, right, that actually...

what your callers have been saying, the ones who are criticizing this, is itself a mark of a scandal.

Because what they're saying is they're afraid.

They're afraid.

I mean, what sort of republic do we live in where significant numbers of women have been taught to think that if they are treated by consultants who have signed a public-only contract,

Voluntarily, right?

Nobody put a gun to their heads to do this.

They're very well paid to do it.

That they will not get safe service.

I mean, first of all, I think that's completely untrue.