Devi Sridhar

That has to come through some kind of redistribution.

And nobody likes talking about that because it's the idea of taxation, social investment.

And there, I guess I do probe at the end, which is, you know, when is enough enough?

And do we accept the growth, the number of billionaires, which COVID brought, you know, record number of billionaires created with the rise in extreme poverty?

At what point do we say, actually, you have enough if you have 100 million or if you have 500 million?

After that, you need to put back things.

And the idea that actually the tax is being paid by the super wealthy.

I don't mean people who are working as doctors or lawyers.

I mean, people who are like,

you know, billionaires, literally, or, you know, multi-millionaires often pay a smaller percentage of tax than someone who's there.

It's true in the States.

It's true and true in Britain.

And you do have people like Abigail Disney, you know, Disney and Harris saying, well, actually, we do need to have some kind of idea where you give back.

And so I bring the example of Finland and that social contract issue.

which is not saying that you do away with distribution of wealth.

But at what point do you say if you've got 10 houses, actually, maybe instead of having 11th house, you invest so that someone's not homeless or that there's social services provided.

And so I don't know how we can have that kind of debate without it sending into increased taxation for all, government overthrow, nanny state, all the kind of things we hear.

But just saying that actually...

When do we say enough is enough for someone and say, okay, when do you start actually helping the bottom 20% to lift?

Because the only way to avoid that increase in life expectancy where we know we have it here in Scotland, here in the States, between different populations is actually to start thinking about that inequality more.