Devi Sridhar

um in in the social determinants of health as well and that comes into issues around diet you know physical activity green spaces housing um but a really tricky debate to have so i kind of go into it in the book you know a bit and kind of probe a bit but by also saying it is really really difficult because i think there is this kind of recoil to any idea of kind of the state intervening in that kind of way but i think we do need to have that as a conversation which is once you've had you know

Again, you have 100 million.

I think it was Abigail Disney said that once she reached 100 million, she's like 130 million didn't change my life.

And I'm not.

Yeah.

And actually, the threshold being whatever it is, I don't think it's within.

I mean, here in Britain, they're talking about a tax and people making over 10 million pounds a year saying, actually, should we have there?

But ironically, if you're in that kind of band, you probably have very advanced tax lawyers who can help you not have to contribute at all.

And I think that's the dilemma we're in.

So.

Yeah.

So when I looked across different metrics in terms of like happiness, health, health systems, longevity, Finland just emerged as a country.

It can't be due to the weather, saying it's Scotland.

It's so far north.

They do have very dark winters.

So it must be obviously something else going on there.

And I think just looking back that it was a set of policy choices.

One of the most interesting ones was in the 20s and 30s about gender equality.

and actually raising the position of women through employment laws, I mean, representation.

Um, and that's, I think one of the really interesting stories is actually how can something, and I know like Bill Gates came to this and Melinda Gates as well, that actually how can gender do with health?