Devi Sridhar

And you start reeling out, actually there is something that connects those agendas.

And so, um,

Yeah, I guess it's called the happiest place on earth, not only because I guess Santa Claus lives there in Lapland, but because they have really progressive ways of approaching provision and prevention.

And Finland was one of the few countries that saw life expectancy increases despite the COVID pandemic because of how active they were.

They have the advantage of being a small population, you know, five, six million.

So actually, it's not like the states, which is massive.

But as on a micro scale, it's quite an interesting place to look for their efforts in terms of employment, gender, education, really good, strong position of state education, quality education through the public sector.

And as well, I'd mentioned that they have like basically eradicated rough sleeping or homelessness.

And that's been through, again, a deliberate policy of saying someone who is homeless and sleeping on the streets can't figure out their life.

Like it's too complicated.

So you start by providing them a short term solution of a home and social support to help them find a job, get on their feet and transition them back.

And the idea being that actually you should see someone who is homeless as, you know,

I don't want to use the word victim, but someone needs a hand up.

You help them get a hand up and you transition them back instead of thinking, oh, why do we have all these people on the streets?

What's their problem?

And again, it was an interesting policy.

I think they put together like, you know, someone, a pastor, you know, a social scientist, a doctor and a politician.

And they said, find a solution to this.

And they came up with a really creative solution that mixes empathy, you know, pragmatic care.

But the idea being that actually,