Devi Sridhar

How do you get someone from homelessness into the workforce, into a home, into being productive and happy in life?

The state has to help in that.

You can't just leave it because it's too deep a pit to be able to find your way out of.

And I think that I think is one of the pioneering things as well that they've done that I think places could look at and think, oh, how did they do that?

Because they do have quite a productive workforce and economy.

And that's obviously tied to how they're managing that.

Well, I guess the only one is I was curious what you made of the chapter on gun violence.

I think one of the biggest things being brought up in Florida, going to University of Miami and then coming abroad was how guns are managed and treated.

So I just raised in Scotland, there was a shooting.

Andy Murray was in that shooting in Scotland.

And after that shooting, which was, I guess, 30 or odd years ago, they banned handguns, you know, made it very difficult to get weapons there.

And there's not been a school shooting since in that time.

They came down that parent group very strongly.

And I thought about it recently because in the Edinburgh News like this past few weeks, there was a note that a child, a child, a 15 year old had been arrested with complete plans for a shooting based on Columbine and had exactly where they were going to stand in the school, who they were going to target, raise the fire alarm, get people out, all that stuff.

And the one thing they hadn't been able to do was get a gun.

And get access.

So I just thought that was quite fascinating.

Not at all.

And it's quite...

Incredible to see, I think, even for probably Americans in the States, like the rollbacks around vaccinations, around this idea of data analysis, evidence, what counts as truth.