Devlin

There's a little bit of head-butting, as you say.

If anything, you could have gone a little bit harder on him.

Yeah, I thought there was a few topics that there was room to rip into him.

Rewriting history, would you say that to him?

Yeah, Argentina in the quarters.

I love that, yeah.

It was on another podcast, and he said, yeah, we plan to play Argentina, and then it was France, so we still had the same game plan for Argentina.

Yeah, with a little bit of finger wagging as well.

I've always got on with him, but he always gives me the old... I think Brent Impey would actually be really good to have another discussion with him around the finances and the economic structure of Super Rugby in particular.

But it gives you a little bit of, because people say a whole lot of things like, oh, no, let's just go back to the NPC.

Oh, let the All Blacks go overseas.

Oh, no, Super Rugby's fine.

Let it just breathe for a few more years.

There's a lot of people who will say, and I'm one of those, to be fair.

A lot of people will say that stuff.

But I actually don't know the inner workings of these teams, how they are financially set up and how they differ from, say, an NRL club, for example.

Yeah, well, there's a thing.

The last couple of years, they've said, oh, we've got record numbers of revenue, but we're still not turning a profit.

Well, that means you've got record numbers of expense.

in your own competitions and we don't have the luxury that South Africa has that we're in the same time zone as the Northern Hemisphere.