Diana Walsh Pasulka

Like there's this bizarre feeling like they're like, let me get in there and fix your fucking wires.

Very, very, very similar to the abduction experience.

I think they're all connected.

I really do.

I think that's why.

I mean, I know you're saying that some of them do happen during the day.

I'm sure.

I'm sure some of them happen during the day.

Most of them happen at night.

The vast majority of them happen during when people are sleeping.

And that seems to be completely connected to that.

It's the only explanation that makes sense to me other than an actual, you know, like...

Hollywood-style UFO landing and then come and get you, which seems so theatrical.

I think the reality is far more bizarre than that.

I think that is one of the things that McKenna said about DMT and also about mushrooms.

Terrence McKenna said that they show you themselves in that way to comfort you

because the reality of what they are would be too much for you to handle and that what you're seeing even though it's mind-blowing it's just a tiny little piece of what it actually is so when i'm at the vatican and i see this pine cone i'm going okay so there's this recognition that this connection to god this connection to this higher experience this higher power

It's available inside of us.

There's a gateway, and that's the gateway.

That pine cone is the gateway.