Diana Walsh Pasulka

That's wild.

Yeah.

It's a strange representation of what, I mean, it's an icon of this thing, whatever this thing is that's inside of us that is this gateway.

All throughout history.

Yeah.

And then all throughout history, the use of psychedelics.

I'm sure you're aware of Brian Murerescu's work.

Yeah.

So that whole thing, the Eleusinian mysteries.

That was all about that.

Yes.

Okay.

Did you ever read John Marco Allegro's work?

Do you know of it?

John Marco Allegro was an ordained minister who became an agnostic when he started studying theology.

And he was one of the people that was studying the Dead Sea Scrolls.

And he studied the Dead Sea Scrolls for 14 years, and he wrote The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.

And then he wrote, that one got, I think it got bought out by the Catholic Church.

And you can get old copies of it, but then it was just re-released a few years back.

But then he wrote something in the Christian myth, I forget what it was, Sacred Mushroom in the Christian myth, Sacred Mushroom in the Cross, and then there was another one he wrote that he published after that other one was bought out that's readily available.