Dianne Penn

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Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth · Anthropic’s first technical PM on token maxing, the jagged edge, and living in the future | Dianne Penn · 26 Jul 2026 podcast

So actually staying really close and be excited to be in the details, I think have been a sign of really strong researchers and developing taste

And I think like another piece is just like their ability to think big over time and be like very ambitious, right?

Like the Dario, like we can transform software engineering and, and, and the, and I think, uh, going in that direction, you learn so much, you get, you had to shoot for the stars in, in many ways across, uh, your ideas.

I think in order to be a, uh, a successful researcher.

Yeah.

I think it's thinking through it once or twice end to end and then being, I think, stubborn about the area and maybe more loose around the exact approach.

It is a question we challenge ourselves with.

the technology is moving so quickly.

And so how do you make sure what you're building is actually forward compatible?

And so it's also actually part of like, I think the core product development loop to think bigger, right?

One thing I ask the team frequently or how I think about when we're building a product is let's say cloud eight comes around, what changes in what users do?

And then what does that mean for how you're building today?

Is it going to be forward compatible to that experience?

So just grounding, I think being ambitious is very broad.

And so trying to ground it in some ways of describing that.

I'm going to maybe leave the policy and the expert control side to focus on that and work on that.

I think the product question and how we interact with these internally is, I think, as you mentioned, as frontier models become more capable, the safeguards and the ways of red teaming and testing and the pre-release process also needs to evolve and adapt quickly to address that.

And so one example is, you know, before Fable models, we didn't have a strong of, let's say, fallback UXs and systems because our goal is to make sure that like there is asymmetrical benefit for this technology and to minimize like the downside or like a severe risk of

And so we ended up building like fallback systems so that users will still get a great response from Opus 4.8 immediately.

And so I think there's a piece around as we evolve and like improve safety systems, how do we continue to develop and deliver great user experiences?

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