Dom Harvey

You're painting a really nice picture of it.

Yeah.

I had another guy on the podcast, a guy called Ben Padua.

He's like one of New Zealand's top farmers.

When he was 15, he got involved with a couple of mates, and they ended up with like a manslaughter charge.

And he turned his life around in there.

It was in Rangipo that he got on a prison farm.

It was his introduction to farming, and he's changed his life around.

Yeah, he said a similar sort of thing.

Of course, wouldn't want to go back, and he's a completely different person now, but I think that's what you want to hear, eh?

Someone reforming and making the changes.

Yeah, can't you just ring the room service bell?

No, yeah.

The phone up.

Yeah.

Yeah, what is one thing or the things that the public get completely wrong about prison?

Because I feel like there is this sort of perception in some ways with some jails.

I remember when the Spring Hill Jail was being built.

If you listen to Talkback, you think it's like a Club Med or something.

People talk about how it's like a holiday resort.