Donald Hoffman

I literally have nothing intelligent to say.

That's as good an idea as I've ever had, but I don't feel very confident in this area at all.

I mean, the closest we can personally get is the kind of thing I suggested, you know, go into a quiet room, turn off the light, let go of thought, which is not easy, let go of everything and try to just be aware of awareness.

Be aware of being aware and try to sit there with that.

And what you find is it's a profound experience.

The more you just sit there being aware of awareness without thinking about, you know, you're not, see, the whole point about not thinking is thinking you're back into this small computational realm.

You're back into this really tiny, out of all the infinities, you're back in this little tiny infinity.

So letting go, so this is not- Well, we know the headset is computational, right?

Well, we don't know for sure.

Our current models are, but we haven't proven that.

Does local realism not being real mean that it has to be computational?

No, it doesn't entail.

I mean, so it doesn't entail that at all.

No.

Right.

It's just not a physical process.

And it doesn't have to be a computational process even.

It could be functions that are not computational.

Well, it hurts me too.

I'm telling you these things, but not because it's easy for me.