Donald Hoffman

I would say that one of the interesting things we're doing in that paper is we're showing how specific properties of the Markovian dynamics of conscious agents map to specific properties of particles like mass, spin, momentum, and energy.

And so I'm not saying we're right, but we now have mathematically precise proposals.

So I mean, for example, these are words that won't make sense, but mass is the entropy rate of recurrent communicating classes of conscious agents.

And just to be clear, what you're saying you can predict now is particle scattering.

This is going to be for particle scattering.

And by the way, the reason I'm going after particle scattering is not because I have some fetish for high energy physics or something like that.

That's the simplest place that we can make our first connections with the interface.

Particles are the most elementary things that our interface has.

That's why I'm going there.

They're the simplest thing.

I'm not going for brains first because those are countless quadrillions, trillions, whatever of particles.

And so that's not the place to start.

Let's see if we can get the mathematics and the experimental data for individual particles.

So our paper is proposing, and maybe just so the people can show that we're wrong, we'll see.

But we say that mass is so-called entropy rate of the recurrent communicating classes.

And that then tells us what are massless particles and what are massive particles.

And so we're getting very specific predictions that we're going to be making about momentum and spin and energy and mass.

So this is where rubber hits the road, right?

I'm talking all this highfalutin stuff about consciousness leading to the interface.

Well, the right questions are, so what is the mass of an electron?