Donald Robertson

So he clearly felt those were the Stoics from that generation that he looks up to. And Seneca was seen, even by other Stoics at the time, as a guy that had maybe compromised himself morally.

So he clearly felt those were the Stoics from that generation that he looks up to. And Seneca was seen, even by other Stoics at the time, as a guy that had maybe compromised himself morally.

So he clearly felt those were the Stoics from that generation that he looks up to. And Seneca was seen, even by other Stoics at the time, as a guy that had maybe compromised himself morally.

That's actually a contested point. There's a really cool book that came out recently by Armand Danguer, a classicist who wrote a book called Socrates and Love that I really like that's kind of speculative biography of Socrates. And he claims that Socrates was probably not as ugly as he's made out to be. And that particularly younger in life, he may have been quite a virile and attractive person.

That's actually a contested point. There's a really cool book that came out recently by Armand Danguer, a classicist who wrote a book called Socrates and Love that I really like that's kind of speculative biography of Socrates. And he claims that Socrates was probably not as ugly as he's made out to be. And that particularly younger in life, he may have been quite a virile and attractive person.

That's actually a contested point. There's a really cool book that came out recently by Armand Danguer, a classicist who wrote a book called Socrates and Love that I really like that's kind of speculative biography of Socrates. And he claims that Socrates was probably not as ugly as he's made out to be. And that particularly younger in life, he may have been quite a virile and attractive person.

But, I mean, Socrates' friends describe him as walking like a pelican, having eyes like a crab, having a face like a torpedo fish, and being balding and pot-bellied. And he looks like a satyr as well, we're told. Like one of those kind of goat, like pan or whatever. So those are his friends. Right. And so I guess it's partly the Athenian culture. They were kind of ribbing him a bit and stuff.

But, I mean, Socrates' friends describe him as walking like a pelican, having eyes like a crab, having a face like a torpedo fish, and being balding and pot-bellied. And he looks like a satyr as well, we're told. Like one of those kind of goat, like pan or whatever. So those are his friends. Right. And so I guess it's partly the Athenian culture. They were kind of ribbing him a bit and stuff.

But, I mean, Socrates' friends describe him as walking like a pelican, having eyes like a crab, having a face like a torpedo fish, and being balding and pot-bellied. And he looks like a satyr as well, we're told. Like one of those kind of goat, like pan or whatever. So those are his friends. Right. And so I guess it's partly the Athenian culture. They were kind of ribbing him a bit and stuff.

If you go to Athens today, there's a famous statue of Socrates, a modern statue of him outside the university where he's incredibly buff. Like, I mean, he definitely looks like he's been lifting weights, but that's a modern representation of him. The ancient sculptures we have of him are this little pot-bellied old man,

If you go to Athens today, there's a famous statue of Socrates, a modern statue of him outside the university where he's incredibly buff. Like, I mean, he definitely looks like he's been lifting weights, but that's a modern representation of him. The ancient sculptures we have of him are this little pot-bellied old man,

If you go to Athens today, there's a famous statue of Socrates, a modern statue of him outside the university where he's incredibly buff. Like, I mean, he definitely looks like he's been lifting weights, but that's a modern representation of him. The ancient sculptures we have of him are this little pot-bellied old man,

You know, that's more of a kind of, was seen as a bit of a, presented as more of a comedy character almost. So yeah, he makes fun of it. In Xenophon Symposium, Socrates jokes and he says, I think if we had a beauty contest, I would win it. And everyone kind of rolls about laughing at this. It seems ridiculous to them. But then it leads into him having a conversation about how they define beauty.

You know, that's more of a kind of, was seen as a bit of a, presented as more of a comedy character almost. So yeah, he makes fun of it. In Xenophon Symposium, Socrates jokes and he says, I think if we had a beauty contest, I would win it. And everyone kind of rolls about laughing at this. It seems ridiculous to them. But then it leads into him having a conversation about how they define beauty.

You know, that's more of a kind of, was seen as a bit of a, presented as more of a comedy character almost. So yeah, he makes fun of it. In Xenophon Symposium, Socrates jokes and he says, I think if we had a beauty contest, I would win it. And everyone kind of rolls about laughing at this. It seems ridiculous to them. But then it leads into him having a conversation about how they define beauty.

And he starts to question whether beauty is actually something that comes from a person's character. And he says he's confident that he would win on those terms. But his friends still think it's a bit ridiculous of him. Xenophon, to his credit, says, you know, you learn more about wise men by seeing them at their leisure. I believe that's how he begins the symposium. It's a drinking party.

And he starts to question whether beauty is actually something that comes from a person's character. And he says he's confident that he would win on those terms. But his friends still think it's a bit ridiculous of him. Xenophon, to his credit, says, you know, you learn more about wise men by seeing them at their leisure. I believe that's how he begins the symposium. It's a drinking party.

And he starts to question whether beauty is actually something that comes from a person's character. And he says he's confident that he would win on those terms. But his friends still think it's a bit ridiculous of him. Xenophon, to his credit, says, you know, you learn more about wise men by seeing them at their leisure. I believe that's how he begins the symposium. It's a drinking party.

And he presents Socrates as this guy who's quite witty and humorous, right? So he says things where he... Socrates was the type of guy that would say something to you and you'd think... Is he joking? Is he serious? And the answer is yes and no. He's kind of both joking and serious at the same time, often, I feel.

And he presents Socrates as this guy who's quite witty and humorous, right? So he says things where he... Socrates was the type of guy that would say something to you and you'd think... Is he joking? Is he serious? And the answer is yes and no. He's kind of both joking and serious at the same time, often, I feel.