Donncha O'Callaghan

I remember one, then it was kind of self-reflection.

He was there like, write down your flaws.

You know what I mean?

And I remember after about a minute and a half, I was there.

Can I have more paper?

I was there like the most selfish fucker you'll ever come around.

Ruthlessly, all this kind of stuff.

I was there, I need more paper.

And I could see other, like other, I don't think I floss.

Not any, but I'm just saying, oh, there's kind of, I'm there like, and they're like, give me more paper.

A hundred percent.

That's why I found it so useful.

And I think there probably is a vacuum for that in and around the kind of rugby environment when you come away from it, that there is that kind of, okay.

Asking those tough questions.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I actually think, I was there, because I saw, I saw the person that took the, TJ is his name.

I saw him at mass and I was there like, TJ, you wouldn't fancy doing a little refresher here with myself and Jane just to see.

Jenny said, will you?

I didn't ask him I was there do you think he'd be around for a cup of tea and just see how we're checking in and she was like will you shut your fucking face it's really good I'd say he'd love it I'd say someone to open up those uncomfortable questions as well another one I want to ask you about as well is that