Donncha O'Callaghan

Yeah, I always... Look, I know he's well-received and stuff, but I genuinely hated when he reffed us.

I would rather, genuinely, I'd rather play Wales than have Nigel Owens reffing.

Or I just found him really hard to manage.

Not manage, that's wrong for me to say, but I just... We didn't hit it off, man.

I just thought he was... And then socially great, you know what I mean?

Away from it, which was frustrating again.

Yeah.

There's fine balances in there.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

And look, we're not saying any of that should go on.

You know what I mean?

I think,

one thing that we're both quite passionate on is the respect factor for referees and that it kind of stays in and that, you know what I mean, that when you hear stuff like that, it does actually make you really sad.

But you're trying to manage relationships as well.

And I just thought I'd a poor one with him.

And I honestly, I would dread when they'd go, OK, ref in, Wayne Barnes for Saturday, lads.

I'd be like, oh, shit.

Yeah, yeah.

And this is what I'm trying to say to you.

Then I'd get on really well, you know what I mean?