Donncha O'Callaghan

Yeah.

Well, it's funny you say it, like I know it's the kind of Munster news and it's the bit I should be jumping up about, but you're the one with the absolute knowledge of those people.

Of course, you want good people coming in your environment and you want, for me, I do think we need a little bit more homegrown and we do need pathways.

I go on about Mike Prendergast heading away.

I think that is a disappointment.

We should be finding like a succession plan.

We have it with Ireland.

If you consider when Andy went off the line, Simon jumps in.

So can we get that level now in all the provinces?

And maybe that should be the push a little bit more.

And these are...

I take your advice on them I know them as probably players you know Jimmy Duffy played kind of under 20s a year before me and I would have seen what he has done since but I don't know him well enough and Jared Payne again what are they like Tommy have we

He probably wants to go to New York.

You're nowhere near that.

Yeah, yeah.

Actually, you're making me giddy because I actually 100% believe that.

But then it's the working dynamic with others, like coming in under Clayton, you hope that relationship's good and then strengthening what's already in there, the likes of Mossy Lawler and...

Dennis Leamy you know what I mean like how they get on and the kind of vision of them because I do think Shaq Wayne Lentzer made a brilliant point when he kind of went through the different roles and the assignment of the kind of nearly the head coach look after the kind of programs and how everyone's answerable but if they can forge a tight team to kind of go beyond themselves but yeah look that's medicine for me if there's someone holding more account in terms of performance.

Yeah, just on that though, I do hope we kind of strengthen up in, what would you call it, a transfer window?

You mentioned some of the in and outs.