Donncha O'Callaghan

young men but you like look at all our players man give them a chance you know what I mean like sorry but I always feel bad when there's a connection but Tom Wood like we've seen him play 20s he's a player you know what I mean go like it was great to see Gordon Wood get a bit of a chance I see Michael Foyle is after signing the senior contract I

want to see him man you know what I mean like so that's what I hope I hope that he kind of comes in now and goes okay you know what I mean that he's afforded the opportunity and then let's just head down like let's go now you know listen you would have to put a lot of trust in him you know he's a big man for culture I'd say first season as you say hasn't been easy for him

That exchange was really interesting.

I think they're probably a little bit slightly different.

I think what Clayton wants is full empowerment.

And I don't see why that's a problem.

If we got him for all that, like just...

and Thunderbirds are going and I understand he wanted to bring in a certain coach that didn't align with the different values of Munster rugby and to be honest I'm kind of glad that there was that movement of no because this is what we're about but he has to understand that too you know what I mean we want him culturally right but there's a bit of both sides in the two that we might differ in whereas I think the Jacques one is

I have so much time for him.

One for nearly calling out a little bit because he's 100% right.

He's taken all this heat media-wise and it's not the bits he's accountable for.

You know what I mean?

I know everyone will go on about their defence, but we spoke last week about their attack being miles off it.

And none of us... I'd love if one of the journalists asked the question, who picks the team?

You know what I mean?

Does he get to put... If he's in charge of the programme, is it his...

selection in terms of what he wants to put out there.

But I honestly think it will be a massive frustration that we have a two-time World Cup winner within our system and that he gets questioned like that.

He can go anywhere he wants, Tommy.

just homes that's a little bit easier isn't it?