Donncha O'Callaghan

And I don't think that lies with your leaders.

I think it lies with your lieutenants, if you know what I mean.

They're not captains, but they're like the energy bunnies of the squad that need to keep it going and lift people.

And it's not verbal.

It's all in performance.

Yeah, but it's coaches even self-policing themselves.

I'm going right back to AIL, but it was my first experience of a big day.

You know what I mean?

Of course, I played schools, but this is senior.

So it's different all of a sudden, the physicality level.

You have to be clued in and you can't.

You know better than anyone, but for rugby, you can't think about physicality on Saturday morning of a match.

You have to kind of build up to harden yourself, to get ready to throw your head in a horrible spot.

And that builds throughout the week.

But I remember we were playing Gary Owen in an AIL final.

And we knew it would be up to our forwards to really put it down.

And I remember on the Thursday night, Pachyderm, our forwards coach, had a game of keepy-uppy kind of soccers over a net.

And he was always a guy for drilling us.

Absolutely.

We left sessions crawling off the pitch.