Donncha O'Callaghan

And what they used to do, Tommy, was they'd have a successful winger mentoring you.

So like, I know my son knows, but you know what I mean?

Tony O'Reilly or someone that's been out the other end would kind of... Any amount of them, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, grab you as you come out and help you kind of get away from it.

And they upskill them.

So it's kind of still that peer to peer learning.

But he was saying one of the biggest adjusts was relationships in terms of, I suppose, we're used to being kind of nearly selfish and driven and

And all of a sudden that goes.

And also the kind of ego stuff.

You know what I mean?

We're used to running out in stadiums, maybe 40 to 80,000 people every Saturday.

And then all of a sudden that's gone.

But that's gone for partners as well.

The nice dinners, you know what I mean?

The stuff before it.

So it's a massive adjust for everyone.

And they have like procedures in how to deal with it and how to help players with it.

I just thought it was fairly forward thinking.

Yeah.