Donnell Rawlings

But you know another thing that they don't understand is like, this is what I say, and I use you as an example.

Whenever you hear about somebody saying that they want to do a podcast, the first thing, a certain name is like, I want to be Joe Rogan.

And I said this before, nobody wanted to be Joe Rogan fucking 25 years ago.

They didn't want to put the work in.

They want to see the accolades, the fortune you've built.

They see that part, but nobody sees the hard work.

Even with Kill Tony, the fact that during the pandemic, when he could have let the whole platform just fall apart, like we don't know when we're going to do it, he dug deeper and figured out a way, I'm just going to continue to do it.

Nobody ever respects...

The journey.

Right.

And if you think about it, Joe, and you probably the same way, most successful people, and I know some very, very wealthy people, right?

And when they talk about their career or whatever, they hardly ever talk about the yacht.

They never talk about the fucking mansion they got in Paris.

You know, they talk about...

It was just me and my wife, and we drove a Toyota Corolla, and we was down to our last 10 bucks, and she did this.

That's the most interesting part of the story for most successful people, and people don't understand that.

They want to skip everything.

I hear people right now, I want to be like, stand up.

I'm like, all right, well.

No, when I was doing HBO's The Wire, right, this guy I knew, I grew up with, he was like, this motherfucker said, yo, D.,