Donnie

Isn't that the entire name of the game?

Tick half of your Steelers fan audience off?

Make the other half agree with you?

I think it's different for players versus people like you and me.

I mean, him saying something that actually made Steelers fans mad and did not go with the everything is awesome is actually somewhat unique among guys who are former players who have podcasts now.

I know he doesn't have one, but him actually firing off from the hip there makes him unusual.

The Kelsey brothers are making nine figures to just sit there, and I could not tell you one interesting thing that has ever been said on... Well, there you go.

They're making nine figures.

They found... They're making nine figures because Travis has engaged Taylor Swift.

Yeah, that's probably right.

Let's be honest here.

Let's not kid ourselves.

So you think Joey Porter's rise to media stardom is to just...

trample over ben tear him down to build myself up no i'm more just remarking that like i think it's unusual that you given what you and i do for a living yeah are like going i can't believe he would say something that would piss off half of his audience but that is like but he doesn't have what we do oftentimes i do it organically i managed to piss off 85 of the audience but he doesn't even have an audience yet

He's not monetizing anything.

He's not on ESPN.

He's not on NFL Network.

There's not the PC pod.

There might be very soon, Don.

Sounds like we could get some imaging together very quickly.